![]() Frodo did not want any of the Fellowship to come with him because he did not want them to be harmed, yet when Sam caught up to him at the river he decided to take him along. I disagree with Merry that Frodo would not have allowed she-Sam to come. she would have gone with Frodo rather than waiting around another ~62 years. I think it would have, however, greatly accelerated she-Sam's journey, i.e. I agree with WtS that no matter what level of relationship she-Sam had with Frodo, it would not have effected Frodo's eventual journey to the west. A female character penned by Tolkien could have done any of the things that his male characters did, if the tale of Beren and Luthien provides any insight. IMO Luthien supported Beren far more than Sam did for Frodo, all this in spite of the 'handicap' of her being female. ![]() Not only was Luthien allowed to stay in sight and mind when Beren was confronting great challenges, she actually did considerably better in those confrontations. After all, has the matter of the stars ever been harmed by people speculating about their origins? What about the personality of Caesar? Or speculation on what would have happened if the US didn't use the atomic bomb on Japan? If this forum was nothing but members spewing facts back and forth to one another, then I know I wouldn't be spending much time here.Īs for whether or not a she-Sam (I call my male cousin Sammy, so that doesn't seem to fit) would be a member of the fellowship, I beg everyone to consider the case of Beren and Luthien. is not a statement of fact but an opinion, and furthermore, as far as I can tell it is an opinion so far removed from any basis in reality that I must assume it is a speculative opinion. I think Frodo would've gone, watched Gollum destroy the ring, and then returned home.and I don't believe even girl-Sam's love for him could've saved him from his eventual journey to The Undying Lands.Ĭlick to expand. (So woman like.I know, I am one.) and Frodo still wouldn't have listened to Sam's cries to get him to not go to Mordor. Sam would still have been stumbling and saying stupid things. The world held no joy for him anymore, and I believe that even Sam(antha?) would not have been able to provide it.īesides, after all that how could Sam love 9-Fingered Frodo? *giggles*īut in more seriousness, it seems to me that the journey, while sexually charged because of the budding romance, would not have been much changed. ![]() Frodo was too psychologically and spiritually damaged after that.I suspect that's why he never married. Even if Sam(antha?) and Frodo did spark a romance on the trip to Mordor, which is unlikely becuase Frodo's only focus was The Ring, then they wouldn't have lasted past the point where the ring was destroyed. I think the burden of carrying the ring was too much for Frodo, and after that wound from the Nazgul he was never really himself again. Sam and Frodo would NOT have fallen in love. He was writing an epic mythology, and while such stories often have elements of romance, I think that a Sam-Frodo romance would have become too much of a dominant theme. From another perspective I seriously doubt that Tolkien would write such a story. Perhaps she-Sam would also be more drawn to a mate that stayed at home rather than one that saved the world. I guess it happens all the time in real life, so why not? On the other hand, he-Sam fell in love with Rosie, who seemed to be more of the stay at home sort. Still, I think that it is easily within the realm of possibility that a woman in Middle-earth would show the same loyalty and devotion to a man that Sam showed Frodo, without there necessarily being any sort of relationship beyond friendship.Ĭould a she-Sam that only loved Frodo as a friend grow to love Frodo in a different way? That's a much tougher question to answer. This was one of Tolkien's female characters in comraderie with a male character, of course it doesn't hurt that he was her uncle. He-Sam did it, so why wouldn't she-Sam? Eowyn loved Theoden without being in love with him, and she was willing to give her life for her uncle. If she-Sam was not in love with Frodo, but loved Frodo like he-Sam did, would she have followed Frodo to Mordor? Absolutely. In fact, in many ways Sam played an analogous role to Luthien on the quest- saving Beren/Frodo's hide several times. Why not? Sam was always comparing the Ring quest with Luthien and Beren's quest for the Silmaril. If she-Sam was in love with Frodo, would she have gone to Mt. I'd say that we could all take a look back at Middle-Earth History to answer that one.
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